Pay the Farmer, Not the Pharmacy
Meera & Ashok Vasudevan bring 50+ years of experience as leaders in the Plant-based & Natural Food industry. Their entrepreneurial journey continues with the recent acquisition of 2 heritage brands- Annapurna & Captain Cook
In this timely podcast series titled "Pay the farmer, Not the Pharmacy" they show you how to unleash the magic in your kitchen with evidence-based tips & tricks that improve digestion, enhance gut health, build immunity and provide simple solutions to affordable wellness. Pay the Farmer, Not the pharmacy. Brought to you by CSAW, the Centre for the Spread of Affordable Wellness.
Also, included are other talks, interviews and discussions of Ashok Vasudevan on a range of issues, not only related to food to wellness
Pay the Farmer, Not the Pharmacy
Your Mood Is a Menu Problem
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Your Mood Is a Menu Problem
You wake up feeling flat. Or anxious. Or foggy in a way that no amount of sleep seems to fix. And the conventional answer — the one most of us eventually reach for — is a pill that adjusts the chemistry in your brain. Which may well be the right answer for some. But here is the question very few doctors have the answer to: what influences the brain chemistry?
The answer, increasingly, is the gut. Around 90 to 95 percent of the body's serotonin — the neurotransmitter most associated with mood, and emotional stability — is produced not in the brain, but in the gut wall. By your gut bacteria. From the food you eat.
In Episode 2 of our Gut Health series, Ashok and Meera go deep on the gut-brain axis — the two-way communication highway between your microbiome and your mind. They unpack the vagus nerve, the role of short-chain fatty acids in brain health, and what the latest research tells us about the connection between gut dysbiosis and depression, anxiety, and cognitive decline.
And then — practically — they break down fibre. Not as a vague health concept, but as the single most powerful dietary tool for feeding the bacteria that make your brain chemistry work. Soluble fibre, insoluble fibre, resistant starch — what each one does, where to find it, and how much you actually need.
Your mood is not just a brain problem. It is, in significant part, a menu problem. And that is good news — because your menu is something you can change.
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In the month of that result, we introduced the gut as an organ running in the show. An ecosystem of a hundred trillion microorganisms that talk to your brain, your lungs, your skin, and your heart every single day. And if you haven't listened to that one yet, we'd encourage you to go back because it truly sets the foundation for everything we are about to say. But today, we want to take one of those conversations, the gut-brain connection, and go much deeper. Because this one we think is personal for almost everyone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, depression, Mira, we know affects roughly one in five people at some point in their lives. Anxiety is now one of the most common health complaints in the world. Brain fog, the feeling that thinking through molasses is something millions of people describe but struggle to get answers for. And the standard response when you go to a doctor is almost always focused on the brain, which makes complete sense at one level, except, and this is where the science is becoming impossible to ignore. The brain may not be where the story starts. So welcome back to Pay the Pharma, not the pharmacy. I am Ashok.
SPEAKER_00And I'm Ira, and today we are saying your mood is probably a menu problem. So let's get into it.
SPEAKER_01So this is the number that should be part of every mental health conversation. Approximately 90 to 95% of all the serotonin in your body is produced in the gut, not in the brain. In the gut wall, under the direct influence of your gut bacteria. The bacteria eat the fiber you feed them. They produce compounds that stimulate these cells, and these cells are the ones that make serotonin, which means that if your gut bacteria are depleted, imbalanced, or disrupted, your serotonin production is compromised before the brain even gets involved.
SPEAKER_00And serotonin, for anyone who hasn't heard it explained clearly, is the neurotransmitter most associated with feelings of calmness, well-being, and emotional stability. It's not the only player in mood, however. Dopamine, GABA, and others all have roles. But this is the one that makes most that that most antidepressants are specifically designed to preserve. You know, they have helped a great many people, and we are not questioning that. But what we are asking is what if we also paid more attention to where the serotonin is coming from in the first place? And the answer to that question, believe it or not, begins in the gut, with what you eat, with what you feed your bacteria. And this brings us to the highway between the two, the vagus nerve.
SPEAKER_01And the vagus nerve is the longest nerve in the atomic nervous system. It runs from the brain stem all the way down through the neck, the chest, into the abdomen, connecting the brain directly to the heart, lungs, and gut. Think of it as a two-lane motorway. One lane carries signals from the brain down to the gut, telling it to slow digestion when you're stressed, for example, which is why anxiety and stomach trouble so often arrive together. But here's what most of us don't know. The other lane, the one that's carrying signals from the gut up to the brain, is far busier. About 80% of the traffic on this highway on the vagus nerve travels upward from gut to brain, not the other way around.
SPEAKER_00You know, which means that your gut is quite literally telling your brain how to feel.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_00The microbiome produces trans neurotransmitters and metabolites that travel via the vagus nerve and through the bloodstream, crossing the blood-brain barrier and influencing mood, cognition, stress response, and behavior. Research from the Flemish Gut Flora Project, one of the largest microbiome studies ever conducted, found that people with higher levels of certain butyrate-producing bacteria reported significantly better quality of life and lower rates of depression. And conversely, the depletion of those same bacteria was consistently associated with depressive symptoms.
SPEAKER_01So, what happens actually when the microbiome is disrupted, when this biosis takes hold? The beneficial bacteria that produce this butyrate that Mira referred to and the other short-chain fatty acids decline. Inflammatory bacteria move in. The gut lining becomes more permeable, what is often called a leaky gut. And inflammatory compounds begin crossing into the bloodstream. So those compounds can cross the blood-brain barrier too, triggering what researchers call neuroinflammation. And neuroinflammation, the science is very clear on this, is directly associated with depression, anxiety, and cognitive decline. So, in one sense, a low mood might not be a chemical imbalance in the brain at all. It might be just inflammation that started in the gut.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And you know, and this connects to something many people have noticed but never had a framework for a shock. You know, the gut and the brain are in constant conversation. And that conversation runs both ways. Stress depletes the gut microbiome, and a depleted microbiome amplifies the stress response. So it's a loop. Which is why chronic stress and poor diet tend to arrive together and reinforce each other. But here's the hopeful part, and this is what we want to leave you with today. Because it's a loop, you can enter it from either direction. You can reduce your stress to help your gut, but you can also feed your gut to calm your mind. And the most powerful, most practical, and probably the most affordable way to do that is through fiber.
SPEAKER_01And you know, we mentioned fiber in the first episode in the series as the microbiome's essential fuel. The rent your gut bacteria need to keep the lights on. Today we want to go a bit deeper because not all fiber is the same, and understanding the difference changes what you put on your plate. So there are three types worth knowing. The first is soluble fiber. This dissolves in water and forms a gel in the digestive tract. It's the type that directly feeds beneficial bacteria, particularly the ones that produce butyrate, the short-chain fatty acids most associated with reducing neuroinflammation and supporting brain health. And you find soluble fiber in oats, lentils, beans, apples, flaxseeds, psilium husk. This is the fiber that most directly influences your mood chemistry.
SPEAKER_00And you know, the second type is insoluble fiber. This does not dissolve, it adds bulk to the digestive process and keeps things moving. So this is the fiber you find in whole grains, nuts, seeds, the skin of vegetables and fruits. It's essential for gut motility, for preventing sluggishness that itself affects how you feel. And the third, and this one is what tends to surprise most people, is resistant starch. This is starch that resists digestion in the small intestine and reaches the large intestine mainly intact, where it becomes a feast for your bacteria. Cooked and cooled rice, cooked and cooled potatoes, green bananas and legumes are all rich in resistant starch. So here's one very practical tip: cook your rice or potatoes the night before, refrigerate them and eat them the next day. The cooling process significantly increases the resistance starch content, even if you reheat the rice and potatoes the next day.
SPEAKER_01So that's beautiful. That's a simple tip. And now, how much fiber do you actually need? The recommended daily intake is around 30 grams. Most people in the modern world are eating somewhere between 10 to 15, so less than half. And research from the British Gut Project, one of the largest citizen science microbiome studies ever run, found that people who eat 30 or more different plant foods per week, 30 or more different plant foods per week have significantly more diverse microbiomes than those eating 10 of fewer. Not 30 grams, folks. We're talking 30 different plants. So variety is as important as quantity. A bowl of oats, a handful of mixed seeds, lentils in your lunch, a banana, some broccoli, a small square of dark chocolate, even. Yes. That counts as plant food, too, by the way. And you're already well on your way. Remember, 30 different plants a week sounds like a lot until you realize even cumin counts. Coriander counts. That forgotten handful of frozen peas, they count. And suddenly your Tuesday dal is practically a herb garden.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. The point really is this: diversifying your fiber is not complicated, nor is it expensive. It is the single most evidence-backed thing you can do to feed the bacteria that regulate your mood, sharpen your thinking, and reduce the low-grade inflammation that underlies so much of how we feel from day to day.
SPEAKER_01So, folks, here's the takeaway from today. Your brain is not operating independently of what you eat. The serotonin that steadies your mood, the butyrate that calms neuroinflammation, the vagus nerve signals that tell your brain everything is okay, all of it is shaped by your gut. And your gut is shaped by your food. This is what we mean when we say food is a builder and the protector. It is building your brain chemistry meal by meal, and it is protecting your mind from the inflammation that left unchecked makes everything harder.
SPEAKER_00And next week we're gonna take the gut axis conversation to the skin and the lungs. Two organs that conventional medicine tends to treat in isolation, but which research is increasingly connecting back to exactly what we've been talking about today: the same dysbiosis, the same inflammatory pathways, different destinations. So if you have eczema, psoriasis, asthma, or a cough that just won't completely go away, that episode is for you.
SPEAKER_01Until then, eat your 30 plants that start this week. Even 20 is a revolution compared to where most of us are.